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Skinny you don't seem to get my point. I am talking budget here. I bought it from a very reputable dealer with a profesional  setup and listened to various setups. I even listened to the RXV-4600 . a. Yamaha RXV-4600   b. Denon 3805   Both good. a. Yamaha RXV-657 b  HK 235 Same price range...

Skinny i have been using Yamaha integrated ( AX 895 ) with DSPE 492 processor for the last 7 years. I was and still is quit happy with the amp but i was looking for a new processor . I have listened to many recievers in stereo ( Denon , Yamaha , Onkyo , Harman Kardon ) and always compared them...

Won't recommend them if stereo music is what you like most.