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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The kock" data-source="post: 1055636" data-attributes="member: 16941">There are some good second hand ones available with low millage, I just bought one myself. I find the blue rays 4k discs are still a bit expensive even second hand, but the blue Ray non 4k discs are cheap as chips, and surprisingly visibly to me not that different to the 4k discs but much nicer than HD DSTv as an example. Both me and the kids found true HD blue Ray to be quite nice and it also seems all 4k productions are not equal and because the definition is so high you pick it up. Biggest difference is Atmos to me on the 4K and most of the new streaming content this is an upgrade that really seems a step up and I don?t have ceiling speakers as yet. Lastly I have a respectable 100meg up amd down link that has been quite stable but still has its days and this is probably the biggest bonus, the blue ray player never buffers [emoji1787], on the odd ovation when I?m keen to watch amd the buffering starts I want to make a skipping rope of my incoming fibre where is the blue ray player obviously never does this. Just my 2 c good luck Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</blockquote>